Overclockeros, ya probaron el metodo ese de sumergir el hardware?

[Drowned]

PtufuXLvOok

¿Hace rato he visto videos de esto pero no se si alguien de guate ya lo ha probado...? :asaber:

[edmundo8885]

:susto3: :drowned: y no se chinga nadaaaa :pensa:????? :yano: :yano: :yano:

[mazdaspeed]

:adorar:

[NANDO SS]

a la verga me imagino que asi podes mejorar el tiempo del pi :adorar: puta iba a probar con nitrogeno liquido con un cuate pero parece que este sistema es efectivo tambien :adorar:

ok el otro mes lo voy a probar y les hago coverage a ver que tal sale ya que andaba vendiendo una mobo por ahi pero como que nadie la quiere fadsfasdsafasf

[Kipow]

que buen mod, hubiera sido bueno ver las temperaturas, y creo que los ventiladores por gusto estan pue, pero buen mod.

[MikeGTS]

puta que de ahuevo se ve, pero eso que la mantiene fria o que? ya no tienen sentido ahi los vendiladores verdad.

[peluso]

hasta burbujas,..excelente,.

[NANDO SS]

que buen mod, hubiera sido bueno ver las temperaturas, y creo que los ventiladores por gusto estan pue, pero buen mod.

exacto yo lo voy a probar el mes entrando que no tengo ese liquido y aca que lo consiga :asaber:

puta que de ahuevo se ve, pero eso que la mantiene fria o que? ya no tienen sentido ahi los vendiladores verdad.

no sirven de nada los vents

hasta burbujas,..excelente,.

:word: x2

[nonosky]

muchos sumergen equipos en aceite mineral para mejorar temps, pero es "asqueroso" tratar de cambiarle algo al mobo despues de sumergirlo, ahora en el mercado hay tan buenos coolers por aire que no es necesario esto, pero igual esta nitido...

Salud2

[Blackstare]

El aceite mineral se caga en todo, luego limpiar eso es una gran cagada... 3M fabrica un liquido no conductivo que se llama Flourinert, ese es mucho mejor para eso... Es un liquido alto en oxigeno, incluso han hecho experimentos en los que dejan caer ratas en el liquido, y pueden sobrevivir periodos extensos respirando abajo de ese liquido :susto:

[Kipow]

El aceite mineral se caga en todo, luego limpiar eso es una gran cagada... 3M fabrica un liquido no conductivo que se llama Flourinert, ese es mucho mejor para eso... Es un liquido alto en oxigeno, incluso han hecho experimentos en los que dejan caer ratas en el liquido, y pueden sobrevivir periodos extensos respirando abajo de ese liquido :susto:


ve pues esa no me la sabia, tons vamos a hacer una piscina de ese liquido a prueba de ahogarse jaaj

[Blackstare]

ve pues esa no me la sabia, tons vamos a hacer una piscina de ese liquido a prueba de ahogarse jaajPara que cuando te saquen te mueras por trauma a los pulmones dfasdklkjadffdaslk

[Stuart]

El aceite mineral se caga en todo, luego limpiar eso es una gran cagada... 3M fabrica un liquido no conductivo que se llama Flourinert, ese es mucho mejor para eso... Es un liquido alto en oxigeno, incluso han hecho experimentos en los que dejan caer ratas en el liquido, y pueden sobrevivir periodos extensos respirando abajo de ese liquido :susto:
:thunderbo

[crazyice]

ahi probas pues y nos avisas q paso

[Caliman]

ya habia visto eso pero ahora hay sistemas de agua que podrias suplir eso, supongo




El aceite mineral se caga en todo, luego limpiar eso es una gran cagada... 3M fabrica un liquido no conductivo que se llama Flourinert, ese es mucho mejor para eso... Es un liquido alto en oxigeno, incluso han hecho experimentos en los que dejan caer ratas en el liquido, y pueden sobrevivir periodos extensos respirando abajo de ese liquido :susto:
Aguas y te caes :oscar:

[fburgos01]

de que esta deawebo esta deawebo yo lei una vez unos chavos que lo hicieron pero solo por probar y dieron sus comentarios explicaron como hacerlo, lo ocearlo vieron temps, si funcionaba si era estable pasaron unos benchmarks creo pero bueno luego lo desarmaron, lo que mas me gusta de esto es que no hay ruido del ventilador, pero lo que me gustaria saber es si funciona para uso continuo???, vos ese liquido alto en oxigeno que tan caro serai??? porque sino mejor probar aunque sea con aceite vegetal que lei que tambien funciona, si alguien lee algo mas que lo comente porque no tengo mucho tiempo para leer, pero por lo que pinta supongo que es mas economico que un sistema de refrigeracion liquida o uno con aire, eso si nada de desarmar o querer upgradear a cada rato se hace una chiquero
jajaja

[xyzalvarez]

interesante....:adictoalf

[Hire]

Puta mucha solo le hacen falta los pececitos

[Hire]

Puta mucha solo le hacen falta los pececitos

[menrique]

Buena Idea La Mierda Esa..... Yo Quiero Mi Compu Asi....

[CRoberth-x]

mmmm eso talvez si se puede porque el aceite no es conductor y mantiene todo aistado pero enfria mejor el procesador mmmmmm yo no lo haria jeje ya me imagino cuando queres meter un cd :alaputa:

[menrique]

Donde Puedo Conseguier Ese Liquido??? Yo Quiero Mi Compu Asi!....

[menrique]

http://www.pugetsystems.com/gfx/submersion/thumbs/mineral_oil.jpg
5-6 Gallons Mineral Oil
$60 from STE Oil (http://www.steoil.com/catalog.asp?productgroup=70t)


You'd be amazed how difficult it is to find quantities of mineral oil locally! We learned that it is given as a laxative to horses, so you can talk to a local vet to get it! Special thanks to McMonigle Veterinary Hospital (http://www.myvetonline.com/website/mcmoniglevh/) for humoring our odd request and providing the mineral oil!

[menrique]

Why Build One?


We built this system because with all the oil cooled projects out there, no one built a system that looked good and functioned well! After seeing all the other projects, we had a lot of ideas of how we could do it better and more easily. Many projects used vegetable oil, which would go rancid after a short time. The mineral oil does not have this problem, and is completely clear. We also wanted to use an appropriate enclosure -- the Toms Hardware system used a clear acrylic case, and they had to painstakingly seal each rear connector to keep the oil from leaking. We wanted to put the ports on top to solve that problem the simple way. Other people have built systems in aquariums before, but they were always oversized and square. When we found the Eclipse System 6 Aquarium, we were excited to see an aquarium that was absolutely perfect in size -- you couldn't go any smaller. In addition, we had questions about performance and long term effects. Our initial tests, which we go over below, answer the questions about cooling performance. We'll post a follow up to this page in a few months to let you know how a system like this performs in the long term.
Primary Materials

http://www.pugetsystems.com/gfx/submersion/thumbs/aquarium.jpg
Eclipse System 6 Aquarium
$60 from Petco.com (http://www.petco.com/Shop/petco_Product_R_3591_PC_productlist_Nav_217_N_24+1 15_sku_591149_familyID_2398.aspx)

It took a fair amount of searching to find the right aquarium, but the Eclipse System 6 ended up being nearly perfect in size, we couldn't have asked for better dimensions!
http://www.pugetsystems.com/gfx/submersion/thumbs/mobo_tray.jpg
Lian-Li Motherboard Tray
$25 from Performance-PCs (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3387)

Designed as a removable tray for Lian-Li cases, this part allows us to cleanly mount all the computer hardware, then simply slide it into the aquarium. Only minimal modifications to the aquarium are needed for a good fit.
http://www.pugetsystems.com/gfx/submersion/thumbs/mineral_oil.jpg
5-6 Gallons Mineral Oil
$60 from STE Oil (http://www.steoil.com/catalog.asp?productgroup=70t)

You'd be amazed how difficult it is to find quantities of mineral oil locally! We learned that it is given as a laxative to horses, so you can talk to a local vet to get it! Special thanks to McMonigle Veterinary Hospital (http://www.myvetonline.com/website/mcmoniglevh/) for humoring our odd request and providing the mineral oil!
Also needed:


Clear acrylic panel: In order to give the motherboard tray a flat surface to mount to, we needed to grab some acrylic panel to cut to the shape of the aquarium on the outside, and to the rectangular shape of the motherboard tray on the inside. You can see this in the video above. At first, we planned to create a more complicated metal framework for the motherboard tray to slide into, but it turned out that simply giving the tray a flat surface to rest on made it more than stable enough for our needs.
Silicon Sealant: We used this clear waterproof sealant to seal the acrylic to the lid of the aquarium, mainly to make the top as airtight as possible to prevent as much evaporation as we could. We also used it around the processor, because we heard that the capacitance of the oil creates problems with very dense contacts like you find on a CPU. However, we admit that the silicon was applied very poorly around the CPU, and yet the system was EXTREMELY stable. We didn't have one problem or crash, so next time we'd probably skip putting the silicon around the CPU.
Weather Stripping: Applied around the edges of the motherboard tray, this was just one more measure to try and prevent as much evaporation as possible.
Computer Hardware: We started with the cheapest hardware possible, just in case the whole thing blew up! When the first test went perfectly, we moved up to modern hardware. Note the external SATA hard drive -- we didn't want anything to have to be plugged in or unplugged from down in the oil -- too messy!
Air Pump and Bubble Bar: If you like bubbles! We were also hoping the bubbles would help carry heat out of the oil, see below for our test results.Assembly Notes


The setup is quite simple -- with a few cuts to the top brackets on the aquarium, and an acrylic panel cut to provide a flat base for the motherboard to rest on, there isn't much else that had to be done in terms of assembly. If we had to do it again, we'd find a better solution for the power supply -- it is a bit clunky down in the bottom of the case. If you're adventurous, you could always remove the housing from the power supply. There is a real risk of shock if you don't handle it properly, but without the housing, the power supply would look much more at home in a system like this. We also didn't intend to run the system with fans, but once we saw them spinning slowly in the oil, we just couldn't resist keeping them! With the oil, they made no noise at all. In our follow up in a few months, we'll let you know if the slow spinning eventually burns out the fans.

Performance Results


With a system like this, one of the best things is that the oil evenly distributes the heat. You don't have nearly as localized hot zones as you do in an air cooled computer. But how well does it dissipate the heat?
Idle Temperatures


http://www.pugetsystems.com/gfx/submersion/thumbs/idle_temp.jpg


The mineral oil has considerable specific heat capacity, which means it can absorb lots of heat without having to vent it out to the surrounding air. Because of this, it takes the system quite a while to work up to its equilibrium temperature. Starting at an ambient 29C on the CPU, we found it took about an hour to hit a stable idle temperature of 37C. Not bad!
Load Temperatures


http://www.pugetsystems.com/gfx/submersion/thumbs/load_temp.jpg


The system under load was a different story. We started 3DMark06 looping, and watched the temperatures climb. It took a really long time. After an amazing 12 hours, the system topped out with a CPU temperature of 88C. Yes, that is really hot...on the other hand, the system was rock solid and didn't crash when running 3DMark06 for 48 hours at these temperatures. While you could add some radiators and pump the oil through to cool it, you realistically would not be gaming constantly for 12 hours, so these temperatures are as extreme as it gets for this system.
Did Bubbles Help?


http://www.pugetsystems.com/gfx/submersion/thumbs/bubbles.jpg (http://www.pugetsystems.com/gfx/submersion/gallery/Submerged019.jpg) After we saw the high maximum temperature during load, we started to think about what would happen if we pumped bubbles into the system. Theoretically, since the air for the bubbles was bring drawn from the outside air (we placed the intake a few feet away from the tank), the cooler bubbles should pick up the heat, then rise and release it to the air above. The question was whether the effect would be enough to show a noticeable difference. As you can see in the video, we had quite a bit of bubbles going. After about 2 hours, the temperature settled at a new maximum of 84C on the CPU under load. So, the bubbles did have an effect, but not as much as we were hoping for. Interestingly, the bubbles also hurt the video card temperature, causing it to rise by a few degrees! It seems the bubbles also served to agitate all the contents of the aquarium, bringing everything to a more consistent temperature throughout.
Return to Idle


Another question we wanted to answer was how quickly the system cooled once we stopped the 3DMark06 looping. With the aid of the bubbles, it dropped back to an idle baseline in just about 8 hours. While the bubbles seemed to have little effect in dropping the peak temperature under load, they did speed up the cooling process, and we can only imagine that under load the bubbles would cause the system to take even longer than 12 hours to hit peak temperatures.

Final Thoughts


The mineral oil aquarium alone had an incredible ability to absorb heat into the oil, and for that reason, this is a great setup for periods of load less than 12 hours long. As long as you give it some cool down time, it runs some great temperatures. We do want to stress that at no time was the system unstable, ever....which was surprising! It doesn't seem too much a stretch to expect that you wouldn't put a typical computer under load for more than 12 hours...after all, even gamers have to sleep! With that taken into account, this setup as it is could serve as a great, eye catching way to cooling your computer. If you need more cooling, it would be very easy to use a product like the Zalman Reserator (http://www.zalman.co.kr/usa/product/view.asp?idx=206&code=021) to directly cool the oil by feeding it through the radiator. However, we don't want to focus too much on the temperatures, because that's not really why we did this project! We had a lot of fun building a system like this, and now that you know you only really need to spend about $150 on all the materials, we encourage you to give it a try if you've been thinking about it. Of course, we're not responsible if you blow up your computer! In the end, this is a novelty, of course. There is really no other reason to build a system like this...but it will certainly be a great attention getter when we display it prominently at our office! If you're in Seattle, feel free to stop by and check it out.

[menrique]

http://www.pugetsystems.com/gfx/submersion/gallery/Submerged007.jpg

[menrique]

yo si me pique con esa mierda.... muy muy muy buen tema vos...... ahora pilas pues en hacer un par.......

[Blackstare]

No vale la pena hacer eso con tu compu de diario... Los sistemas de refrigeracion por AIRE que tenemos ahora ya alcanzaron a los sistemas de water cooling, y algunos todavia enfrian mejor q un water cooling...

[menrique]

No vale la pena hacer eso con tu compu de diario... Los sistemas de refrigeracion por AIRE que tenemos ahora ya alcanzaron a los sistemas de water cooling, y algunos todavia enfrian mejor q un water cooling...
:adictoalf :adictoalf :adictoalf :adictoalf ahuevos... pero aqui bien dicen que el fin de todo esto no es el de enfriamiento. sino estetico.... por eso recomiendan para enfriamiento otros sistemas....:adictoalf :adictoalf :adictoalf :adictoalf

[Blackstare]

:adictoalf :adictoalf :adictoalf :adictoalf ahuevos... pero aqui bien dicen que el fin de todo esto no es el de enfriamiento. sino estetico.... por eso recomiendan para enfriamiento otros sistemas....:adictoalf :adictoalf :adictoalf :adictoalfMe vas a decir que uno de estos no es estetico??? http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling/showdoc.aspx?i=2981
Aparte que enfria mucho mejor que varios sistemas de water cooling que son cientos de dolares mas caros...

[menrique]

Me vas a decir que uno de estos no es estetico??? http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling/showdoc.aspx?i=2981
Aparte que enfria mucho mejor que varios sistemas de water cooling que son cientos de dolares mas caros...
YO NO DIJE QUE LOS SISTEMAS DE ENFRIAMIENTO SON PAJAS....

YO DIJE.... QUE LA ONDA DE METER LA COMPU EN ACEITE ES ESTETICO... QUE ELLOS ACLARAN QUE NO ES PARA MANTENER LA COMPU EN UNA TEMPERATURA MAS FRIA... Y QUE ELLOS MISMOS RECOMIENDAN OTROS TIPOS DE SISTEMA SI LO QUE UNO BUSCA ES TENER LA TEMPERATURA DE LA COMPU BAJA... OJO LEE BIEN... NUNCA DIJE QUE ESOS SISTEMAS NO FUNCIONAN....

[fburgos01]

dicen que solo gastaron $150 caropisado jajaja mi huevo no creo que incluya la pc va bueno por estetica mejor pones uno de aire bien deawebo y te sale mas barato

[nLarin]

es cuestion de gustos esa mierda hombre, como ya dijo el Kayne, hay sistemas equivalentes en los dos tipos tonces el que le guste el agua que ponga esa mierda y el que no pues que ocmpre de aire y ya trankilos, igual funciona.

[fresnos]

y el disco duro no puede ir dentro de esa mierda, pake putas!!!!!!!!

[nonosky]

Bueno, para los que deseen expandirse mas en esto y conozcan mas del tema de cooling y oc visiten www.ocguate.com!!!

Orale!!

[AquaDrago]

:sustopop: alagran que deawevo esta, yo si me animaria a echar punta con ese mod.

[danielmoc]

:alaputa:

que buena rola :oscar:


si esta interesante, me imagino que con esto ya no necesitas una fuente de poder tan grande para manejar mucha ventialicion.

ahora me pregunto, porque si esto es util no lo han utilizado en otros aparatos
por ejemplo amplificadores, que en ese caso se pierde mucha energia en enfriamiento ???????????????????

[Blackstare]

:alaputa:

que buena rola :oscar:


si esta interesante, me imagino que con esto ya no necesitas una fuente de poder tan grande para manejar mucha ventialicion.

ahora me pregunto, porque si esto es util no lo han utilizado en otros aparatos
por ejemplo amplificadores, que en ese caso se pierde mucha energia en enfriamiento ???????????????????Has visto los grandes tambos que estan en los postes en cada cuadra? Esos transformadores asi estan enfriados...

Por cierto en una computadora lo que menos energia consume es la ventilacion... Un ventilador normal consume si mucho 0.2 amperios...

[jupaisgt]

No vale la pena hacer eso con tu compu de diario... Los sistemas de refrigeracion por AIRE que tenemos ahora ya alcanzaron a los sistemas de water cooling, y algunos todavia enfrian mejor q un water cooling...Lastima que no sacan las temps que tienen para darse mejor una idea de que tan efectivo es

[menrique]

Lastima que no sacan las temps que tienen para darse mejor una idea de que tan efectivo es
ELLOS DICEN QUE SOLO ES EFECTIVO A MENOS DE 12HORAS DE FUNCIONAMIENTO. PERO QUE ES CUESTION ESTETICA... QUE PARA MANTENER FRIO EL EQUIPO RECOMIENDAN OTROS SISTEMAS DE ENFRIAMIENTO...

[fburgos01]

ELLOS DICEN QUE SOLO ES EFECTIVO A MENOS DE 12HORAS DE FUNCIONAMIENTO. PERO QUE ES CUESTION ESTETICA... QUE PARA MANTENER FRIO EL EQUIPO RECOMIENDAN OTROS SISTEMAS DE ENFRIAMIENTO...

equivocado chavo dicen que son 12 horas de carga continua de trabajo al procesador con el 3dmark06 calento pero que consevo su estabilidad, y que funcionaria en periodos menores de 12 horas de carga vamos que no le sacas la mierda de esta manera a nungun procesador bajo condiciones normales ya te quiero ver sentado jugando unas 8 horas ni hablar de 12 horas seguidas ajajaja :risa: si hay que artar ir a cagar etc etc, pero si recalcan que es solo estetico no es un sistema de enfriamiento tan efectivo como los otros y que podria mejorar haciendo circular el aceite por disipador, y que ellos si la utilizan asi y que podes pasar a su oficina a verla lejospisado

[xyzalvarez]

Buena Stuff!

[less_n]

que deahuevo esa mierda

[CachetesAlejandro]

esta deahuevo..........ahorita me voy a poner a modificarles la pecera a los peces jajajasgkhdñglhsaljfñhglñsajfhglojashfglñjasg

[methos]

:drowned: puta mis respetos pero no lo haria por problemas de mantenimiento...

[JLBRIZ]

:drowned: